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Opposes amnesty: Ron Paul

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2:24 pm
May 15, 2008


Craig

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The early leader for the first billboard in our new Billboard Democracy campaign to reempower the citizen is one reading: Opposes citizenship for illegal immigrants. Four names are given: McCain, Clinton, Obama, and Ron Paul. Only Ron Paul's name has a check mark in front of it.

Here is the place to comment on that billboard.

2:05 pm
May 18, 2008


AZFighter

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It looks like the ProjectUSA billboard project has been hijacked by the Paullies. Sorry, but the billboard is misleading. While Ron Paul does oppose citizenship for illegals, he does want to give them amnesty and allow them to stay as “guest workers.” I researched his position on amnesty last July when I wrote a series of 4 articles on “The Ron Paul Mystique.” The Ron Paul Campaign “point person on immigration” Don Rasmussen wrote TWICE in e-mails that Dr. Paul would NOT embrace the “attrition through enforcement” process, and that Dr. Paul was a Christian man and would oppose the human rights nightmare that “mass deportations” would entail (Rasmussen's words, not mine). Ron Paul has voted for amnesties in the past (several 245-i, the NICARA and another) so Rasmussen's comments were consistent with Ron Paul's voting record. We all know how politicians redefine “amnesty” to be something they oppose yet still allow illegals to remain. Hillary and McCain do it, and Ron Paul is no different. When they're presented with the REAL question of “What is your plan for insuring that the 20 million illegals currently in the US leave?” they begin the thousand-yard stare, the foot-shuffling, the throat-clearing, and the “Well, we can't round up and deport that many, so …” and we know what comes next.

Every time Ron Paul is questioned about amnesty, he adopts the John McJerk/Jorge Bush position that “it's not amnesty if they don't get citizenship.” Any plan allowing illegals to remain in the US is amnesty. Period, pure and simple. Anyone wanting the details of the Ron Paul campaign's WRITTEN comments need only read “The Ron Paul Mystique” on The Federal Observer. I might add that I received more hate mail from Paullies than I ever have from the pro-illegal crowd after it was published.

Ron Paul won't even admit that the jobs magnet is the primary driver of illegal migration, and that lets him evade any action against employers or workplace verification process.

If the Paullies want to continue to mislead people, let them pay for their own billboard rather than continue to piggy-back our movement. Ron Paul will let them stay, and that's amnesty.

If they want to end the “rumors” of the truth, let Ron Paul come out publicly and state how he plans to insure that illegals leave the US. No confusing rhetoric about “amnesty” or “citizenship,” just how he plans to insure that they LEAVE and how he plans to prevent their illegal return..

3:42 pm
May 19, 2008


Craig

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Well, as you note, Ron Paul opposes citizenship for people who enter the country illegally, so the billboard is accurate. The billboard doesn't say anything about amnesty.

The thing that seems ok to me about Ron Paul, as I wrote last December, is that he doesn't seem to be a radical, unlike George Bush, whose repeated assertion that any willing employer in America should be able to hire any willing worker in the world is as radical a (libertarian) statement as any ever uttered by an American president.

Paul seems ready to learn and change, as evidenced by the fact that his voting record has improved in Congress on the immigration issue since the votes you correctly cited. And even if he hadn't improved, he'd still be a heck of a lot better on the immigration issue as president than what we're likely going to get. See “Ron Paul On Immigration—The Good, The Bad, And The Idiosyncratic“.

But in any case, the purpose of the billboards is not to get Ron Paul elected, it's to try to point out how the system is giving us a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledee, neither of whom is really in step with the American people on a range of issues. And on immigration, McCain, Obama, and Clinton (MOC) are not only out of step, they are marching in the opposite direction and to the beat of The K Street drum corps.

The bilboard, thus, is a way to try to force the immigration issue to the forefront of political debate where it belongs this presidential campaign. MOC are not going to talk about the issue, and neither will the Washington Post, New York Times, et al. That means another eight years wasted. If we can inject the issue into some battleground states, we'll force the candidates to at least give lip service to the will of the American people. If nothing else, that will embolden decent members of Congress to hold the line against the corpocracy.

If the billboards were to help Ron Paul's candidacy, then that's ok with me. He's a whole lot better on immigration than MOC, and if he's rewarded for that electorally, then good. That's the way it should be.

I do understand your concern, however, and you'll notice that we've added two other names to the anti-US citizenship for illegal immigrants slogan: Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr. It's not that we're trying to get any of them elected–that's not our role–but we're trying to break the chokehold on public debate that the establishment exerts.

Thanks for the coment.



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